A Conversation with People in Heaven. - Fr Kevin Kilgore (2025)

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Gospel: Luke 9: 28-36

Jesus took Peter, John, and James
and went up the mountain to pray.
While he was praying his face changed in appearance
and his clothing became dazzling white.
And behold, two men were conversing with him, Moses and Elijah,
who appeared in glory and spoke of his exodus
that he was going to accomplish in Jerusalem.
Peter and his companions had been overcome by sleep,
but becoming fully awake,
they saw his glory and the two men standing with him.
As they were about to part from him, Peter said to Jesus,
“Master, it is good that we are here;
let us make three tents,
one for you, one for Moses, and one for Elijah.”
But he did not know what he was saying.
While he was still speaking,
a cloud came and cast a shadow over them,
and they became frightened when they entered the cloud.
Then from the cloud came a voice that said,
“This is my chosen Son; listen to him.”
After the voice had spoken, Jesus was found alone.
They fell silent and did not at that time
tell anyone what they had seen.

The Gospel of the Lord.

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A Conversation with People in Heaven. - Fr Kevin Kilgore (1)

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This week was the 11thanniversary of my mother’s passing from pancreatic cancer at the tender age of 58. I pray for her daily, often in silence at Mass.

Thinking about Mom this week made me wonder what our conversation would be like if she could speak with me from heaven.

I’d start by asking her questions like, “What is heaven like? Did you know that I became a priest? Do you know that you have three grandchildren?”

After answering a flurry of my questions, I know where our conversation would inevitably turn. Every mother wants what’s best for their child.

Mom’s focus would be on my highest good, reminding me to do one thing only: follow the Lord.

But as we learn in today’s Gospel, God’s will –even for hisownSon– involves not only consolation and glory, but also trust, patience, and suffering.

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In today’s Gospel, Jesus is seen speaking with people from heaven: namely, Moses and Elijah, two of the greatest prophets from the Old Testament.

Have you ever wondered what they spoke about?

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Moses and Elijah are telling Jesus that he must finish the work they started.

Just as the Jews rejected Elijah and tried killing him, so the religious authorities will reject Jesus and put him to death.

And just as Moses led God’s people out of slavery in Egypt in the first exodus, so Christ’s death will become thenewexodus, paving the way for all souls to attain eternal life in the “promised land” of heaven.

Mysteriously, this is all part of God’s plan of salvation, which Christ has accepted.

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Just a few days prior to this journey up the mountain, Jesus predicted his Passion and death while speaking with his disciples. But to them, such an idea was awfully scandalous.

So, the Lord is transfigured before them in order to remove the scandal of the cross from their hearts. But because of their drowsiness, Peter, James, and John are unable to grasp the full significance of what is happening.

Their sleepiness is a form of self-consolation, closing their eyes and ears from the truth that is being revealed – not only that Christ must suffer and die, then rise, but by extension, his own disciples must also suffer before rising again.

It’s a truth we all try to shy away from. For Christians, the only way up is down; Lent leads to Easter; death leads to life.

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Peter, always the leader, reveals his lack of understanding in several ways.

Once he realizes that Moses and Elijah are parting, he attempts to make them stay by offering to build three separate tents.

This could’ve been Peter’s attempt to postpone the inevitable; if he heard anything of Christ’s conversation with Moses and Elijah, then he knows that – in spite of his protesting – their next stop will be Jerusalem.

Offering to build three tents also suggests that Peter sees these three figures as equals, which is reinforced by the fact that he addresses Jesus as “Master,” not, “Lord.”

“Master” is a title of respect. “Lord” is a title of divinity or adoration.

Suddenly, God the Father interrupts Peter’s antics, curtailing his plans, by saying, “Thisismy beloved Son, listen to him.”

It’s time to go to Jerusalem.

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On the way down, Peter, James, and John fall silent. They cannot process all they’ve seen and heard. How can the Messiah suffer and die? What will happen to theirownlives?

Ironically, just hours before Christ’s death, the same three disciples remain shrouded in ignorance and fear as Jesus invites them to pray with him in the Garden of Gethsemane.

While he sweats blood in agony, they become drowsy, falling asleep once again, just as they did on the mountain.

So, he rebukes them, “Could you not stay awake with me for just one hour?”

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Like Peter, James, and John, how many of us become “drowsy” in the presence of the Lord?

When have we been afraid of suffering with Christ or said to him, in so many words, “enough”?

Does fear or ignorance prevent us from going deeper in our relationship with God?

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Here at Mass, I often pray for my mother, because prayer is type of a conversation with people in heaven. Although I still long to hear her voice, she speaks to my heart, saying those words spoken by God the Father in today’s Gospel:

“Listen to him.”

In so doing, my life and yours becomes transfigured by love; luminous; patient in suffering; hopeful of glory; longing for heaven.

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A Conversation with People in Heaven. - Fr Kevin Kilgore (2)

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Image credits: (1) The Transfiguration, Carl Bloch (2) Leaving Laodicea (3) Heaven’s Gift, Yongsung Kim

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